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Friday, December 11, 2009 9:39 pm

If you’re serious about having good cops, then you’ll be serious about punishing the bad ones

Filed under: Hold! Them! Accountable! — Lex @ 9:39 pm
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I have no idea whether sci-fi writer Peter Watts’ account of what happened to him at the U.S.-Canadian border is true.

But if it is, the Homeland Security officers involved need to do a minimum of five years. No “reprimand,” no “administrative duty,” no “suspension.” Instead, a felony record and a big chunk of their life confined to a place where anything resembling a cop is very much disliked.

If there’s any merit to the notion that the threat of imprisonment will serve as a deterrent to unlawful behavior by police, there must first be imprisonment for unlawful behavior by police.

Who will watch the watchers? In this country, it’s all of us, whether we like it or not.


  1. 10 seconds

    Watch the above video BEFORE you read all the text.
    Do the video first–two or three times if
    you want—THEN read the text below… DONT LOOK UNTIL YOU WATCH THE VIDEO!
    You have to watch this one several times. But please remember the cops had to act in real time THE SUSPECT DOES GET
    SHOT BY A POLICE OFFICER. This is for real.

    *DO NOT scroll down and read until you see the video!

    Watch the video and what do you see?
    Officers ordering the suspect to put the
    assault rifle down and it appears he is complying and then he is shot!
    Is that what you see?
    Want to know what it is like to work the streets and what risks you face daily?
    Watch the video again and watch the
    suspect’s right hand while he places the rifle down with his left hand.
    What you don’t see, but the officer behind the suspect does see, is the suspect pulling a hidden handgun from his rear pants with his right hand.
    Watch as the bad guy goes down, the handgun is still in his righthand. Just a reminder
    — what you think you see at first does not always tell the truth.
    Watch it again, and learn!
    Its time Mr Citizen (and the press !!) has a better understanding of why this guy REALLY got shot not to mention the cops laying their lives on the line…

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:13 pm @ 3:13 pm

  2. All of which is absolutely irrelevant to my point, Fred.

    Soldiers lay their lives on the line, too, and get far more oversight.

    Comment by Lex — Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:39 pm @ 4:39 pm

  3. Irrelevant to your point ? Which was what ?
    My point was without the camera those cops might have been facing charges perhaps enflamed by the race baiters.

    Lex, I spent almost 6 years in the Internal Affairs Unit of a Federal Law Enforcement Agecy during which I participated in investigations of our employees that led to terms of imprisionment or termination. I know for a fact that large and small police departments have similar divisions that conduct inquires into misconduct both administrative and criminal.
    I read every day about some cop some where going to the joint. Cops and their everyday work is subject to greater oversight than you imagine, in some cases to the extreme. In some communities they have Police Civilian Review Boards.

    As for Watts, like you I am not sure his story is true. Something about it doesn’t pass the smell test. Maybe he did something stupid. Wouldn’t it have been valuable to have one of those normally ubiquitous TV cameras there that night . Now it’s he says-he says. I must say that I was confused why you named the “border guards” as Homeland Security personnel. Perhaps they were. Janet N. is a moron, proves it on almost a daily basis and has had one fiasco after another since taking over that Department but this sounds even too rouge for that outfit.

    Well this will have to be settled in the courtroom assuming the Border Patrol backs up their employees.

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:02 pm @ 7:02 pm

  4. My point, Fred, is that in most communities, the police effectively oversee themselves. Some communities have civilian review panels with subpoena power, but not nearly enough.

    I grow tired of government employees — in ANY line of work — telling me their job is so complicated/dangerous/important that I cannot possibly be qualified to judge it. Even if that’s true, and it frequently hasn’t been, then that work needs MORE independent oversight, not less.

    I said “Homeland Security” because Customs and Border Protection is part of that department.

    In this specific case, as I said, I do not know what the facts are. One of the unusual aspects of it is that U.S. border guards stopped him although he was LEAVING the U.S., not entering. We’ll see what happens.

    But my larger point stands.

    Comment by Lex — Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:26 pm @ 7:26 pm

  5. Your larger point still stands ? ( on thin ice )

    You are soooo judgemental on these guys. Have you even considered that Watts might just have assaulted the border guards ? And it really is not relevant in which direction he was headed.

    Port Huron Times Herald

    If they acted outside the scope their authority ..lock them up. But if Ballon Boy is lying, then two years in the joint would be about right.

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Monday, December 14, 2009 8:59 pm @ 8:59 pm

  6. As I said earlier, in this particular case I am withholding judgment while awaiting more facts.

    I am judgmental on government employees in general to the extent that I have 25 years of first-hand dealings with them as a basis on which to form some opinions. I understand that other people’s experiences, and therefore their opinions, may vary.

    Comment by Lex — Monday, December 14, 2009 10:05 pm @ 10:05 pm

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