Blog on the Run: Reloaded

Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:40 pm

All not-so-quiet on the Oregon front; or, The Tree of Derpitude must be fertilized with the blood of morons


After 26 days — which was, in my not-so-humble opinion, 25 days, 23 hours and 45 minutes too long — federal and state law enforcement finally moved against the leadership of the militants currently holding the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in eastern Oregon. When those morons headed to a town meeting 70 miles away — 70 miles away! — they were stopped, and at least some of them attempted armed resistance. LaVoy Finicum, the group’s self-appointed spokesman, was shot dead. All the survivors, including leader Ammon Bundy, are in jail; Ammon’s brother Ryan was wounded in the shootout.

And as this is written, a lot of heavy vehicles are converging on the wildlife refuge, setting up roadblocks and telling journalists in the area to pull back because their safety cannot be guaranteed. So sometime soon, something is going down. It’s about damn time. The remaining insurrectionists, for their part, are calling for supporters to shoot police who are blockading the refuge. So this is unlikely to end peacefully, although I do hope it ends with no more loss of life, especially on the government’s part.

This situation never should have been allowed to fester. We knew from the start that while the Bundy brothers and their associates were largely just clowns, they were attracting some very dangerous people, just as happened when their father, Cliven Bundy, threatened federal agents in Nevada who were attempting to shut down his freeloading on the backs of the taxpayers by using federal land without paying for it. (I believe that’s called wingnut welfare.) I said at the time that the failure to hold Cliven Bundy accountable would lead to more such incidents, and that is what has happened. I don’t think it’s too late to circle back and charge the elder Bundy for his crimes. If it’s not, that’s exactly what the government should do.

I’m sure Finicum has family and friends who will miss him. But he had sworn that he would be arrested or surrender to the government only over his dead body, and I am content — not happy, but content — that the government found his terms acceptable. Finicum, who by all accounts was not mentally ill but simply stupid, had decided to commit suicide by cop; in such situations, one’s sympathy should go to the cop who is forced to pull the trigger to protect himself, his partners, or innocent third parties.

I think one can quibble over whether the people who occupied the wildlife refuge were terrorists — an argument can be made that if you’re armed but take over an unoccupied federal building, as that building was on New Year’s weekend, then it’s not terrorism — but they absolutely were guilty of the federal crime of seditious conspiracy. And they need to go to prison, all of them. And if they forcibly resist, well, they had better be prepared for the consequences.

And not for nothing, but the Bundy brothers and their compadres were shown more consideration by law enforcement than some 12-year-old African American children. That ain’t just a talking point; it’s a legitimate and serious issue. Government at all levels has gotten in the habit in the past 25 years or so of kissing seditious white ass while treating African Americans as the enemy. It needs to stop both, which means we voters need to pressure it to as part of a larger effort to cash that check America wrote itself in the 14th Amendment, that all people are entitled to equal protection under the law.

 

 

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20 Comments »

  1. Well said, although: Isn’t there a significant difference in professionalism and training for Federal authorities vs. barely trained local law enforcement? Aren’t Federal authorities held to higher standards in the first place, and if so can we compare their behavior and qualifications to the local Mayberry PD, which seem to require nothing more than a pair of legs and hands?

    I don’t know what the qualifications are to be in Federal law enforcement but the ones for local law enforcement is abysmally low and that certainly contributes to the number of killings committed by police.

    Comment by lkeke35 — Wednesday, January 27, 2016 2:22 pm @ 2:22 pm | Reply

  2. The feds are the lead agency on this. I understand anecdotally that Oregon State Police actually have a pretty good reputation, but I don’t know whether that’s actually the case, and I have zero insight into local law enforcement (Harney Co. Sheriff’s Office).

    Comment by Lex — Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:14 pm @ 3:14 pm | Reply

  3. bullsh#t Finicum along with his daughter and Bundy were going peacefully to the meeting they were told would be peaceful negotiations. They were ambushed and Finicum was executed. The Hammond ranch sits on a partial Uranium field that the BLM has taken been watching since Uranium One has wanted it.

    Comment by Jay Dabbler — Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:27 pm @ 3:27 pm | Reply

    • Unless you can present ironclad evidence, Jay, I invite you to shop your seditious lies elsewhere. Everyone at that refuge became guilty of
      seditious conspiracy, 18 USC 2384
      , the moment they walked with weapons onto that federal property on Jan. 2. In fact, the only reason they didn’t become guilty of terrorism is that the property was unoccupied at the time. They had no right or reason to expect that they wouldn’t be arrested at any point after that. Linicum, according to witnesses, fired at the LEOs first. If you can find ironclad evidence to the contrary, by all means bring it; otherwise, stop pulling stuff out of your ass and spreading it on my blog like it’s knowledge. Do it again and you’ll be blocked.

      Comment by Lex — Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:34 pm @ 3:34 pm | Reply

  4. Lex,

    Please provide your source for this ” some of them attempted armed resistance. ”

    As far as I can determine a use of deadly force investigation is underway and authorities are being unusually tight lipped about details of the incident ,

    I am not jumping to the conclusion that Finicum was ambushed or that he deserved what he got.

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Wednesday, January 27, 2016 4:59 pm @ 4:59 pm | Reply

    • RawStory.com quoted witnesses to the shooting

      Comment by Lex — Wednesday, January 27, 2016 5:08 pm @ 5:08 pm | Reply

  5. We really don’t know all the facts as yet and I don’t see any point at speculating at them.

    Can you say Lon Horiuchi

    Comment by Fred Grergory — Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:51 pm @ 12:51 pm | Reply

  6. Not to a certainty, no. Fortunately, my positions on cops covering up misconduct, to say nothing of shooting unarmed suspects, is well documented, should it come to that.

    Comment by Lex — Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:52 pm @ 12:52 pm | Reply

  7. So, Fred, the FBI has shown the raw video. Finicum attempted to flee, nearly running over an LEO in the process. Then he got out of the vehicle; when he reached for a weapon, he was shot. He was NOT gunned down while lying down. He was NOT unarmed. None of that smoke that the seditionists were trying to blow up our asses. If Finicum were a black teenager, we wouldn’t even be having this goddamned conversation.

    Comment by Lex — Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:25 pm @ 10:25 pm | Reply

  8. What if was just scratching his nuts instead of reaching for a gun… which looking at the odds would be suicide

    Jus’ saying. Have you seen slow mo of the video ?

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Friday, January 29, 2016 5:00 pm @ 5:00 pm | Reply

  9. Oh, he put his hands up when exiting the vehicle. He carried a six-shooter revolver on his right side (a .45, not a 9mm), not on his left and not in his jacket pocket.( As seen in previous media appearances )

    Watching the critical segment there is seen an individual directly behind Finicum holding a long object at the moment he is shot, Hmmmmm

    Do you know how many wounds there were in Finicum’s corpse

    Just asking

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Friday, January 29, 2016 5:59 pm @ 5:59 pm | Reply

  10. You’re reaching, Fred. It was a righteous shoot. Let it go.

    Comment by Lex — Friday, January 29, 2016 7:38 pm @ 7:38 pm | Reply

  11. You should never be on a jury

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Friday, January 29, 2016 11:57 pm @ 11:57 pm | Reply

  12. Fred, if you had asked for the same scrutiny of the Eric Garner and Tamir Rice caees, that would be one thing. As it is, you’re showing the kind of deference to a white seditionist suspect that you never in a million years would have shown to a poor black kid.

    Comment by Lex — Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:39 am @ 12:39 am | Reply

  13. Whoa Lex, I was not opposed to close examination of the Garner and Rice deaths . Nor the Michael Brown case ( Which was thoroughly investigated by the US DOJ )

    The Garner case was presented to a grand jury. To proceed with an indictment, there has to be some evidence of criminal intent. That’s true even for criminally negligent homicide. I don’t see anything in the video to suggest that the officers did what they did with criminal intent.

    Likewise a grand jury also heard the Rice shooting matter. Look, I did not sit on that grand jury, and I didn’t review all the evidence, and hear testimony. I have no way of knowing if its decision in this case was justified, and I doubt you do either. Seems to me that the way people respond to this decision depends heavily — and perhaps even wholly — on whether they are inclined to trust the police as a general matter.

    You snarkily stated as fact that by my asking questions, for instance about the identity of the individual shown behind Finicum in the video the moment he is shot, implies that I am somehow indifferent when it comes to close cases of police shooting blacks . That is an unfair and irrational leap.

    Lets look at this :

    Cops hesitate more, err less when shooting black suspects, study finds

    ” But a scientific study from Washington State University-Spokane suggests just the opposite. In truth, according to findings from the research team’s innovative experiments:

    • Officers were less likely to erroneously shoot unarmed black suspects than they were unarmed whites — 25 times less likely, in fact

    • And officers hesitated significantly longer before shooting armed suspects who were black, compared to armed subjects who were white or Hispanic

    “In sum,” writes Dr. Lois James, a research assistant professor with the university’s Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology who headed the study, “this research found that participants displayed significant bias favoring Black suspects” in their shooting decisions. ”

    Lex, I think your assumptions about this area of law enforcement and civil law are way off base.

    I am confident that all the facts will come out in Finicum case and I will also accept a final determination of what happened that day.

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Saturday, January 30, 2016 6:29 pm @ 6:29 pm | Reply

  14. UPDATE: Seven Occupiers of Oregon’s Malheur Wildlife Refuge Acquitted on All Charges

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:44 am @ 12:44 am | Reply

  15. Ammon Bundy’s lawyer tackled, Tasered by U.S. Marshals in a surreal ending to the Oregon standoff trial

    [youtbe=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JBIZN4ndUw]

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Saturday, October 29, 2016 1:11 am @ 1:11 am | Reply

  16. Oops typo

    Ammon Bundy’s lawyer tackled, Tasered by U.S. Marshals in a surreal ending to the Oregon standoff trial

    Comment by Fred Gregory — Saturday, October 29, 2016 1:17 am @ 1:17 am | Reply

  17. This was jury nullification, pure and simple; the government had them dead to rights on seditious conspiracy. And I don’t think the Nevada jury will be anywhere near as accommodating.

    Comment by Lex — Sunday, October 30, 2016 5:34 pm @ 5:34 pm | Reply


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